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 alee
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Hi guys,

I am an Australian applicant, and I'd really appreciate your help regarding a few things. We don't have much of a clue here about JD admissions processes, and it would be great to get your advice.

I have sat the LSAT twice, 164 (June), 171 (October). My GPA is around 4.0 (or so I have been provisionally advised). Can you advise me how Top 5 schools treat LSAT scores (averaging? taking the highest?)

Secondly, can you recommend any good sources for 'how to write a personal statement''? I'm not sure what the conventions are for these statements among US schools- some good online sources would be much appreciated.

Thanks for your help, :-D

Alex
 Anne Chaconas
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Hi Alex!

Hello from the States! :) I'm glad to help you out with some feedback on your questions.

Firstly, regarding your question about LSAT scores: For the most part, the very top schools in the U.S. will neither average scores nor simply look at the highest--typically, they will look at all your scores, the trend, and the average, and take into consideration any extenuating or unusual circumstances surrounding your test taking. In your case, since you went up a considerable amount (7 points) between consecutive tests, it may be worth your time to write a brief addendum (more on addenda here: http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid/153 ... th-addenda) describing what happened between the two tests to increase your score (did you take a course? did you change your study habits? what exactly precipitated the increase?).

When it comes to the personal statement, the first thing I tell students (no matter which law school or schools they are applying to) is to read what the University of Chicago Law School website has to say about it: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/node/1451 <-- that about sums up any general advice I could give about writing the statement. We also have a number of articles on our LSAT Blog and a statement-specific video on our YouTube channel that I think you will find useful:

http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid/153 ... -important
http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid/153303/
http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid/197 ... -statement
http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid/192 ... -statement
http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid/204 ... -statement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In66yk6c ... plpp_video

I hope these resources help! Best of luck!
 alee
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That was really helpful.

Thanks!

I notice that many of the schools have deadlines for the end of January. However I have been advised by some American friends of mine to submit earlier. Is it okay to submit at the end of the December? (I am currently applying to Stanford)

Cheers!
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 Dave Killoran
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Hi Alex,

Yes, definitely, if you can apply earlier, do so! Law schools use a rolling admissions process that favors earlier applicants, so if you can get them in by December, it will help you slightly.

Good luck!
 alee
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Hi guys,

Thanks for your help with the personal statement. I just had another few questions.

1. What does Yale expect of the additional 250 word essay? It would be great to get any advice on this.

2. What is a 'diversity statement' exactly? Should I include a "why I want to go to Law school X' here?

3. How long should an LSAT addendum be?

Would be absolutely fantastic to hear back from you about these! :-D

Cheers,

Alex
 Anne Chaconas
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Hey Alex,

Glad to help out some more. :) Here are my answers to your questions:

What does Yale expect of the additional 250 word essay? Ah, the dreaded Yale 250. If I could answer this question, I would be the most popular admissions consultant in the world! :) Instead, I'll point you to what the Associate Dean of Admissions for YLS, Asha Rangappa, says: http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissi ... tross.aspx -- she pretty much covers it. In a nutshell, outside of a few topics, you can write the 250 on whatever you want--you can expand on a particular point from your personal statement, you can wax philosophical on a favorite topic, or you can simply talk for a little bit about something you find interesting or meaningful. It's not a make-it-or-break-it type of essay, so don't treat it as such. Instead, just focus on providing insight and quality, and you'll be fine.

What is a 'diversity statement' exactly? Should I include a "why I want to go to Law school X' here? A diversity statement is where a school asks you to explain how your background (socio-economic, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation, upbringing, personal experience or professional expertise) will contribute to and help enhance the law school community. I would say it is decidedly NOT a place to write about why you want to go to a particular law school. If schools want to know that, they will ask for a specific essay on that topic; what they're asking for here is more information to help them decide why you're special, not why you think they're special.

Many applicants mistakenly assume that the diversity essay should only be written if they are an underrepresented minority or have an uncommon ethnic background. However, it is worthwhile to remember that law school admissions deans are always trying to craft entering classes that are balanced among multiple dimensions: political ideology, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, age, gender, geographic origin, undergraduate school and focus, professional interest, work experience, military experience, career goals, and so on. There are many dimensions of diversity that deans consider, and almost every single applicant has something unique or uncommon that they can bring to the diversity table. Therefore, DO NOT underestimate your own diversity or what you bring to the table. Something that you might consider commonplace (because you have lived with it all your life) might strike others as unusual and interesting. It is this kind of “unusual and interesting” aspect that brings diversity to an incoming class, and it is what should be highlighted in a diversity statement. For example, you might be the first person in your family to aspire to law school, or you might be the youngest of 8 siblings. Those things might not seem important or "diverse" to you, but they are very diverse for the purposes of a law school application.

How long should an LSAT addendum be? I typically tell students to stick to one page (around 250 words) and no more--at the very least, it should be considerably shorter than the personal statement. 1-2 paragraphs, at most (typically, if you find yourself writing more than that you're usually teetering on the brink of begging or pleading or writing yourself into a corner). Short, objective, factual--that's what you need to aim for.

I hope that helps!
 alee
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Thanks!

Your help is absolutely fantastic!!!

I am just wondering whether it is worth writing a diversity statement for my Stanford app. I believe I covered the most crucial aspect in my p.statement, but of course, there remain other things I could add (i.e. I'm Australian). 2 additional questions :-D :

-How long should it be? As long as the personal statement (mine is 950 words) ?
-How 'optional' should I consider it? Is it really necessary to submit one?

Thanks again
 Anne Chaconas
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You are most welcome! I'm glad the information is proving useful. :-D

About your most recent questions:

There's no real limit to how long a diversity statement should be, but keep in mind that yours is not the only application people are reading, so you want to be considerate of their time and attention. I would say try to stick to 1.5-2 pages max (300-500 words).

As far as the "optional" question goes--if a school asks you for one, I would say it's not optional. If a school does not ask you for one, then it's optional. Use your judgment--if you want to convey something to a school that is mentioned nowhere else and speaks to your personal diversity as a candidate, then it's a good idea.

Side note: Schools will be able to tell you're Australian in other parts of the application, so it might not be worthwhile to spend a whole diversity statement talking about it. :) However, if you want to talk about items in your upbringing or background that make you diverse, and these things are not found in your personal statement or in other questions on your application, then go for it! Remember, your goal is to use every part of the application to convey something not mentioned elsewhere. If you start repeating things, you run the risk of those things getting overlooked or ignored.

Hope that helps!
 alee
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Thanks :-D

I just had 2 more Yale related questions:

1. Is it expected that candidates will submit the diversity statement in the 'addenda' section for Yale? (since there's no separate section like the others)

2. In what way is the activities and work section (a,b,c layout) different to a resume? How long, in terms of pages, is this expected to be?
Are there any samples of how this has been formatted in the past/what Yale expects?

Thank you again.
 Anne Chaconas
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If you're submitting a diversity statement and there is no place where you can upload it separately on the application, I would submit it as part of the personal statement file (of course, clearly notating that it is a diversity statement and starting it on a different page). Addenda are understood to be explanations of negatives in your file, so submitting the diversity statement there would be a bit disjointed.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "(a,b,c layout)", but the activities and work section of any law school application is basically just asking you to enter the information required. You should use as much space (pages, lines, etc) as needed to input your information. I wouldn't overthink this part too much--what schools are looking for is a snapshot of your résumé that is included within the actual application; they will likely also go and look at your résumé for the fuller picture. Just include the information schools are asking for, make sure it is clear, and you should be good to go.

I do not have any examples of how this has been formatted in the past for Yale applicants--I'm sorry!

Good luck!

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