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Hi,

What makes D wrong?
I thought it captures the second and 3rd paragraph...if I am not confused with the two systems...
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Hi mokkyukkyu,

To help you figure out where you went wrong here, please provide a detailed breakdown of how you understood the question you’re asking about. Since you’re asking about a Reading Comprehension question, we expect to see evidence that you were able to do the following:
  • Correctly identify the type of question in the stem.
  • If the stem refers to a specific concept in the passage, identify where in the passage this concept was discussed.
  • If the stem allows for a paraphrasable answer, tell us what it was. (Don't be afraid if your prephrase was off).
  • Assuming this is a Must Be True question, as most RC questions are, what textual evidence do you have supporting your choice of (incorrect) answer.
  • Why do you believe the correct answer choice is not supported by the passage?.
The more you tell us about your method of approach, the better we can help you figure it out. :)

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Hi Powerscore,
I was able to narrow the answer choices down to A and D but ultimately choose D, the wrong choice. I understand why A is correct but I want to make sure I understand why D is incorrect.

I realize that it is a Main Point question type, and I choose D because I thought it was supported by the beginning of the last paragraph, "The token system, essentially a system of three-dimensional nouns, was replaced in about 3100 B.C....The eventual evolution of this system into mature writing" (lines 38-44).

Is D wrong because "evolution of this system into mature writing" does not equate with "evolved into modern languages?" Now that I have reread the passage, "evolved into modern languages" does seem like a stretch.

Thank you for your feedback,
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Hi Michelle,

Yes. That is exactly why Answer Option (D) is the incorrect choice here. The passage's concluding paragraph limits itself only to a discussion of writing and does not extend to the language aspect of (D). Answer (A) is therefore the superior choice as it addresses "abstract written language" which the sentence you cite repeats. Remember that a main point question is nothing more than a Must Be True question and that your correct answer choice will have to pass the Fact Test when referring to passage. So don't let them change or exaggerate that idea on you when you are hunting for the right answer for a Main Point Question. Thanks for the great question! :-D
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Hello. I narrowed this question down to both A and D. Both sounded fair at first glance, so I looked for flaws within A, and assumed that stating "tokens dating to roughly 4000 BC" is incorrect because the tokens were never ascribed to 4000 BC. We are given "some dating to before 4000 BC." We have "after 4000 BC hundreds of new token forms developed." And, "the token system, ..., was replaced in about 3100 BC." So at the very least the token system spanned 901 years, but potentially multiples of thousands of years.

Should I have looked more carefully at D, then having all answer choices eliminated, go with A because it is 'more likely' correct (D is wrong for stating modern languages)? Or should I just simply be able to recognize that the tokens are roughly from 4000 BC? thanks
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Hi Roughly4000BC!

A very apt username for this question 8-) Since answer choice (A) uses the phrase "roughly" 4000 B.C., we don't need the passage itself to assert the tokens were made in 4000 B.C. specifically. The phrase "roughly" accounts for a similar degree of uncertainty as noted in the passage (some tokens before, some after) so that phrasing isn't reason enough to eliminate (A). In fact, like you mentioned, (A) is the correct answer so we definitely don't want to eliminate it!

Answer choice (D), on the other hand, overextends itself to an extent that the passage cannot support. By saying that these tokens showed a way in which a simple system "evolved into modern language", (D) goes beyond the text and cannot pass the Fact Test. Good job noting that!

I hope this helps! :)
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I got this question wrong. I eliminated answers B, C, and E because the statements were too strong. They used the words "confirms" and "resolve". Schmandt-Besserat didn't confirm or resolve the question. She put forth a theory that explained it. Am I correct to exclude B, C, and E because of the words "confirm" and resolve"?

This left me to choose between A and D. I wasn't thrilled with either answer. I didn't like D because the theory didn't evolve "into modern language". I didn't like A because it said that Schmandt-Besserat "concludes" how the system of written language evolved.

She didn't conclude. The definition of conclude is to "make a judgment or decision". This is too strong. Schmandt-Besserat put forward a "theory". The definition of "theory" is a supposition. Ultimately, I had to choose between what I thought were two bad answers. I chose incorrectly when I chose D instead of A. I would like to know where my reasoning went wrong, and in particular, why the word "conclude" is acceptable?
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Hi LSAT Lover,

Great questions! Let's start with B, C, and E. Yes, you are definitely correct that these answer choices are too strong with words like "confirms" and "resolve." Schmandt-Besserat certainly proposed a theory, but no where does the author state that she is necessarily correct; line 30 uses the word "theorizes" and lines 44-45 use the word "suggests," and these distinctions, while small, are extremely important.

D is indeed incorrect because the tokens did not evolve into modern languages, but rather an ancient writing system.

Thank you for explaining your hesitation with concludes in A, but that word is actually not too strong for what Schmandt-Besserat theorized. Conclude, in this context, ultimately means to arrive at a judgment or opinion by reasoning, and that fits well with what Schmandt-Besserat did according to the author. Remember that conclusions are not necessarily eternal; they can be adjusted or outright withdrawn by their authors with new evidence. Hope this helps!
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Complete Question Explanation
(See the complete passage discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=1159&t=11221

The correct answer choice is (A).

The main point of the passage is that Denise Schmandt-Besserat argues that the tokens found near the Jordan River dating to around 4,000 B.C. evolved into abstract written language.

This idea is first briefly mentioned in the passage at the end of paragraph one. "The tokens are identified by Denise Schmandt-Besserat ... as overlooked predecessors to the written word" (lines 17-19). This idea is explored in more detail in the final paragraph of the passage. "The eventual evolution of this system [i.e. the token system] into mature writing, Schmandt-Besserat suggests, can be seen in the following example" (lines 43-45). The example that follows describes the stages of that evolution.

Answer choice (A): This is the correct answer choice. This answer best matches the main point described above regarding Schmandt-Besserat's argument/conclusion that the tokens evolved into abstract written language. Notice that abstract written language is equivalent to the "mature writing" mentioned in line 44. The best way to confirm this is that the example describing the stages of the evolution that appears at the end of the passage ends with "an abstract and flexible written form" (line 54). In other words, that was the "mature writing" mentioned earlier that the tokens eventually evolved into.

Answer choice (B): There are two problems with this answer. The biggest problem with this answer is that, while Schmandt-Besserat does theorize "that the envelopes contained official records of villagers' contributions to temple-based grain and livestock pools" (lines 30-33), this is a detail in the passage rather than the main point, which is about how the tokens evolved into mature/abstract writing. An additional reason that this answer is incorrect is that the discovery of the clay tablets does not "confirm" Schmandt-Besserat's belief as stated in this answer. She theorizes that this is what the tokens were used for, but this is just her theory and has not been confirmed/proven.

Answer choice (C): There are multiple problems with this answer. Perhaps the most obvious error is that this answer describes "the puzzlement of archeologists over the sudden appearance of sophisticated crafts" (my emphasis). While the idea that crafts were becoming more sophisticated is mentioned in the passage (lines 35-37), this was not the thing that puzzled archeologists according to the passage and is not the focus of the passage. The thing that puzzled archeologists was the "seemingly sudden appearance of such abstract writing" (lines 9-11). We also don't know that the evidence was "required to resolve the puzzlement" as described in the answer.

Last but not least, the inscription-bearing envelopes containing tokens were not discovered in modern Iraq. This is very easy to get confused because the passage begins by describing clay tablets that were discovered near present-day Iraq (lines 1-3), but these are not the same tablets as the inscription-bearing envelopes containing tokens that were found near the Jordan River. One of the things that makes this confusing is that these inscription-bearing envelopes are also described as clay tablets (lines 22-25). (Of course, knowing that the Jordan River is not in or near Iraq makes this easier to realize.) Also, the inscription-bearing envelopes containing tokens were dated around 4,000 B.C. while the tablets discovered near present day Iraq were dated around 3,000 B.C.

Answer choice (D): The main problem with this answer, and the easiest way to eliminate it, are the words "modern languages." Nowhere in the passage are modern languages discussed, and it would be a serious mistake to assume that "mature writing" (line 44) and "abstract writing" (line 10) imply modern languages. They do not. The writing being discussed in the passage is thousands of years old and would therefore be considered ancient, which is the opposite of modern. While someone may think that ancient languages may have later evolved into modern languages, that idea is not discussed anywhere in the passage itself, so it cannot be part of the main point of the passage.

Answer choice (E): There are several problems with this answer. Like with Answer B, the word "confirms" is not accurate. The discovery of inscription-bearing envelopes containing tokens doesn't confirm any of Schmandt-Besserat's hypotheses, so that word alone makes this answer incorrect. Also, this answer misstates Schmandt-Besserat's hypothesis. Schmandt-Besserat uses the fact that the many of the token forms became more figurative to suggest that "villagers' crafts were becoming more diversified and sophisticated" (lines 36-37). "Diversified and sophisticated" does not necessarily mean more abstract. As with Answer C, the crafts are not the focus of the passage and therefore are not really relevant to the main point of the passage.

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