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 mford
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I received a 158 on my first lsat and a 2.9 gpa @ University of Colorado. Hopefully (with powerscore's help) I'm going to improve my lsat score drastically on my second try in Oct. Would I, nevertheless, be well advised to begin sending in applications in order to receive the rolling admissions boost in lieu of my Oct. lsat score?
Thank You,
 Anne Chaconas
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Hey mford,

You can definitely send in your applications in now; however, given that you want schools to consider your October LSAT scores as part of your application, you won't really receive much of a rolling admissions boost. Since schools will likely hold off on evaluating your app until they can see your October LSAT scores, any edge you may have received by submitting your apps early will be negated by the fact that schools will have to wait until late October to really evaluate your app in its full context.

Take heart, though--having an app submitted and complete by late October/early November is still better than what many other students do. Plenty of applicants don't get their materials completed and submitted until after the New Year.

I hope that helped! Please let me know if you have any additional questions. I'm always happy to answer them. Best of luck!
 mford
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I hope not to be a downer, and if anyone who reads this is easily susceptible to negativity you should tune out and read another, more positive post. Actually I'm sort of embarrassed to admit this, but my wife told me that it is better to be a little embarrassed now and admit my weakness, rather than lead a life of shame--On Oct. LSAT I think that I totally blew it. I knew so much going into it, I had been testing into the 160's (BTW thank you Powerscore, Dave, and my tutors Jason and Derek as well as the mods--you guys raised my score from a 148!), but and I completely panicked and blanked out. Anyways this is a multi-pronged question.

1) Should I cancel the score? Honestly I didn't feel well, I had been sick the week earlier, with a stomach ache. Will this make colleges raise their eyebrow when/if they see this?
2) What should I do? My wife and I are really confused as to what I should do--should I try again in December or should I apply now?
3) I've been reading a bunch today about school transfer options after 1L. Is this truly a viable option in your opinion?
4) If I do take the Dec. LSAT how to I get myself to calm down? I know you talk a lot about thinking positively, but for some reason I can only picture myself frustrated. On my first section of the Oct. LSAT I was doing incredibly well, but when I got to the logic games section, I got tricked by one little detail, and after that I was playing catch up. It was such a terrible, sinking feeling--all that work!

In any event, this law school admissions game is nuts, and it has left me with an overarching feeling that I require a mentor to lead me by the hand. Any pointers? Hopefully this was not too rambling! ;)
 Anne Chaconas
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Hey mford,

I'm sorry to hear that you're going through a rough patch with your LSAT and the law school admissions process! I'll take a stab at answering your questions, and hopefully will be able to give you some guidance about what you might be able to do.

Should I cancel the score?
I wish I could give you a clear-cut answer on this, but the best I can do is--that is completely up to you. It depends on how you feel you truly did (which can vary depending on how many days removed from the test you are!), the results of a detailed score self-analysis that you can conduct, the test-day conditions of both the center and yourself, whether you have one or more cancellations already, if you have a score on file already, when you want to apply...many things go into determining if cancelling is the right move. Start by reading this blog post: http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/should- ... sat-score/ -- that should give you some guidance on conducting a self-evaluation -- and then make a determination (and, of course, if you have questions after reading the post, be sure to let us know!).

Will this make colleges raise their eyebrow when/if they see this?
I'm assuming you meant law schools :). Whether a cancellation will raise eyebrows is entirely dependent on how many you have. Check out this blog post to start: http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/reprise ... cellations - as a general rule, if you only have one cancellation, it doesn't raise any eyebrows at all. Many students have a single cancelled score on their records, so it's nothing to be ashamed about. When you have to start being careful is when you have two or more cancellations; that's when questions start coming up. A single cancel, though, is no biggie--don't sweat it if that's all you've got (or will have, if you decide to cancel).

What should I do? Should I try again in December or should I apply now?
That depends on whether you have a score on file already, whether you cancel, whether you think you can do better in December, and when you want to submit your applications. In reading your first post, I am unclear as to whether your previous 158 was an official LSAT score. If you cancel and don't have a score on file, then you can't apply until after December (schools won't look at files that don't have LSAT scores). If you have a score on file and just wanted to see if you could go up in October, then you could either cancel or keep the score, and apply now. Without knowing much about your current situation or which schools you are considering (so that we could see if a 158--assuming that's an official score--was enough for those schools, given your GPA), it is hard to say. If you could like to provide me with more information about the status of that 158 and the schools you're considering, I'm glad to give you more detailed info.

I've been reading a bunch today about school transfer options after 1L. Is this truly a viable option in your opinion?
The transfer game is a risky game to play, because there are absolutely no guarantees that you'll get in to where you want to transfer and, if you accepted a school that you weren't thrilled with to begin with just to "get started" with law school, then you'll be stuck at that school until you finish (since no schools accept 2L transfers). Keep in mind, too, that transferring schools is extremely hard. Law schools take only a very small percentage of their transfer applicants, and the competition is fierce. You should never attend a school with the thought that you'll just "transfer up" after 1L; it is simply a bad idea. The school you accept a spot from should be a school you wouldn't mind graduating from, not a school that you simply see a stepping stone or a "starter" school.

If I do take the Dec. LSAT how to I get myself to calm down?
It seems that, in your case, a lot of whether you calm down will have to do with you and your general outlook on the test. From a practical perspective, these are the things that take care of text anxiety:

1. Consistent practice with real, timed tests.
2. Intimate knowledge of the material.
3. Confidence in your own performance.

Out of the three,it seems that you may perhaps be struggling with point #3 the most (and, unfortunately, that point is the hardest to achieve). Not to sound like Tony Robbins, but you need to start believing in your own skills as an LSAT taker to do well. If you were scoring in the 160s, you've got what it takes! You've worked hard, you know the material, you've got the skills! But you need to start believing in yourself--otherwise, you'll simply second guess yourself the whole way through. The fact that you can't picture yourself anything but frustrated tells me all I need to know--you need to start believing in yourself as an LSAT master. Positive thinking is everything when it comes to this test. You could read our books cover to cover and do all the practice questions in the world, but if all you can think of is how much the LSAT frustrates, angers, and scares you, then you won't do well.

A final word: The law school admissions game can be overwhelming, but it doesn't have to be. What I've found helps with students is to write down everything that you either need to do or make a decision on, and then start tackling the list one by one. By reducing it to paper, you'll see that it's not as insurmountable as it may seem--they're just action items. Just work through it one piece at a time, and you'll be fine. You may have tons of questions--write them all down, and seek answers to each individually. You'll be fine--really--I promise!

I hope this helped, even a little! Please be sure to let us know if you have any additional questions.
 callayee
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Hi,

I am in the same boat about trying to figure out whether or not I should cancel my score. I've taken the LSAT twice... and both times I should have just held off because I did not study/had huge family emergencies come up within days before. But, I this year, I was serious. I took the Full-length course (thank you!) and was finally grasping all of the concepts two weeks before the official LSAT. My highest recorded score of the two I've taken is 150 (not great). I tested 159 in the last practice test I took with PowerScore.

Now, how bad would it look to have three tests and a cancellation on my file? My sister thinks I'm overreacting, which I might be, but I know I at least bombed one of the four logic games, and that was not my experimental section (though, I wish it was). Everything else I felt pretty confident about and finished all of the questions within the 35-minute time frame. I'm just worried that the logic games got me incredibly too anxious (it was my first section) to apply what I learned to the rest of the test.

If the admissions will raise eyebrows to the amount of tests I've taken, I would settle for just not cancelling my score and applying with what I've got. I know that I was much better prepared than before because of my class, so maybe I did better than what I'm thinking. But if having three tests (assuming I took the Dec. LSAT) and a cancelled score will not go against me, I would consider it.

Any advice/help would be great. Thanks!
 Anne Chaconas
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Hi Callayee,

Here's my take on your situation: In your case, I don't think it's going to be so much a matter of whether having three scores or three scores and a cancellation will raise eyebrows--rather, it may be a case of law schools looking at your average as a clearer indicator of your overall LSAT potential (I saw that you said you scored a 150 on one of the tries, and below 150 on your other one), rather than them looking at your latest/highest score. A lot of it will probably depend on how much you go up with this latest LSAT. If you go up 5+ points, then this latest score may hold the most weight--however, if you stay within one standard deviation (+/- 3 points) of either of your previous attempts, then it will likely be your average that holds the most weight.

Whether you should cancel is something that, like with mford (the previous poster), is a completely personal decision. It sounds like you have thought about the test and your performance--have you done a thorough enough evaluation to determine a potential scoring range? If not, so do now: http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/should- ... sat-score/ -- depending on your range, make your decision to cancel. I don't think a cancellation would do much damage to your Score Report--the question on yours will be about which score is the most representative, or if the average is the most accurate. Depending on what you end up doing, you may want to write an addendum explaining the reason behind the multiple administrations and, if your score goes up significantly, explain what you did differently the third time.

A side note: You can only take the LSAT a maximum of three times in two years (which includes cancellations). Given that the October LSAT was your third time, when did you take the other two? If it is in the last two years, you may not be eligible to take the December LSAT, unless by the time the December LSAT rolls around your oldest test date is more than two years in the past. Just something to keep in mind as you make your final cancellation decisions.

I hope this was helpful. Please let me know if you have any additional questions!
 mford
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Anne,
Thank you--you've totally changed my mind. My score on the Feb LSAT of 158 is a huge asset, that I can build off of--I ordered 23 LSATs from the past 30 years or so, and I'm resolved to do them, look at my bad answers and really really dig down and find out why I'm getting the ones wrong that I'm getting wrong. I have to mentally train myself. It sounds strange but I feel like I have to put my brain and emotions into a boot camp...like become a mental machine, reorganize and rally all of my brain functions! :x
 Anne Chaconas
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mford wrote:Anne,
Thank you--you've totally changed my mind. My score on the Feb LSAT of 158 is a huge asset, that I can build off of--I ordered 23 LSATs from the past 30 years or so, and I'm resolved to do them, look at my bad answers and really really dig down and find out why I'm getting the ones wrong that I'm getting wrong. I have to mentally train myself. It sounds strange but I feel like I have to put my brain and emotions into a boot camp...like become a mental machine, reorganize and rally all of my brain functions! :x
That definitely sounds like a plan! We like to equate the LSAT to learning a language--to really become fluent in it, you need full immersion, constant analysis, and a willingness to speak it (even if you make mistakes). Wrong-answer analysis is going to be crucial in getting your score up where you want it to be, and to build up your confidence in your test-taking abilities. Don't forget we're here for you as you go through all of these tests! Best of luck!!
 callayee
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That makes sense. I thought it was going to be the biggest deal as to whether I'd have those scores and the cancellation. Since I need this last score to be the highest, I am going to buy the workbooks and really hone in on the skills I learned. I feel like I just grasped everything, so now I have to just practice them with time. I don't want to risk having this last and final score be within the 3+/- range of my old score, so I will redo it. Thanks for the advice. It really helped.
 Anne Chaconas
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callayee wrote:That makes sense. I thought it was going to be the biggest deal as to whether I'd have those scores and the cancellation. Since I need this last score to be the highest, I am going to buy the workbooks and really hone in on the skills I learned. I feel like I just grasped everything, so now I have to just practice them with time. I don't want to risk having this last and final score be within the 3+/- range of my old score, so I will redo it. Thanks for the advice. It really helped.
Glad the advice helped! :) Remember: If you need any help as you go through the workbooks, don't hesitate to reach out! The great thing about the LSAT is that, in most cases, practice really does make perfect (or, at the very least, a significant difference!). Good luck with everything, and let us know how you do!

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