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 erust2
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Can someone diagram this for me? I can’t seem to link my diagrams to get to C.

I have:

SE=Highly successful entrepreneurs.

HSE—>main desire is to leave mark
HSE see solution —> implement solution

I feel my diagrams may be wrong.

Thanks.
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Hi Erust,

Your first diagram looks good to me, but you are missing one key term in the second sentence.

The speaker tells us that highly successful entrepreneurs are unique in one regard. What you wrote is true, but this also means that whenever you find someone who, when they see a solution to a problem, they implement that idea, they are a highly successful entrepreneur. HSEs are the only people who do this.

This creates a biconditional statement, which I diagrammed as follows: HSE :dbl: "see solution, implement it"
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Thanks so much. I totally missed that.
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Francis O'Rourke wrote:Hi Erust,

Your first diagram looks good to me, but you are missing one key term in the second sentence.

The speaker tells us that highly successful entrepreneurs are unique in one regard. What you wrote is true, but this also means that whenever you find someone who, when they see a solution to a problem, they implement that idea, they are a highly successful entrepreneur. HSEs are the only people who do this.

This creates a biconditional statement, which I diagrammed as follows: HSE :dbl: "see solution, implement it"
So to clarify, saying that someone is unique in one regard means that they are the only people (necessary part)? For example, Gina is unique in that she does fencing in the school (Gina is the only person who does fencing in the school).
Fencing → Gina

So in the stimulus, highly successful entrepreneurs are unique in that they implement the solution to a problem. This is combined with the fact that all highly successful entrepreneurs implement the solution to a problem, which gives us a biconditional statement.
Implement → Highly Successful Entrepreneurs
Highly Successful Entrepreneurs → Implement
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Upon reviewing this question, I arrived at the correct answer (C) using a slightly different conditional diagram. I would like your input if such a method is wise and valid.

1— HSE (highly successful entrepreneurs) --> DLM (desire to leave mark)
—— HSE --> DLM
2— HSE --> SP (see solution to a problem) --> II (implement that idea)
—— HSE --> SP --> II
3— ~HSE--> SP --> ~II (this diagram involves all other people).
—— ~HSE --> SP --> ~II

Key take away

A* ~DLM --> ~HSE --> SP --> ~II (by combining the contrapositive to 1 and then linking its chain to 3, I was able to deduce key takeaway B* using A* contrapositive. Albeit, the contrapositive chain to A* looks like II --> ~SP --> HSE --DLM; I am hoping that II --> DLM was a valid transitive deduction).

B* HSE --> SP --> [II --> DLM] (which is what answer choice C states).

Please shine your LSAT wisdom upon me :-D
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Hi Pragmatism,

Your diagram works for this particular question, however I would diagram as:

Conditional 1: HSE :arrow: DLM

Conditional 2: HSESP :dbl: II

Combined: II :dbl: HSE :arrow: DLM, or II :arrow: DLM

So the "See Problem" bit would be moved to a subset/subscript of the Highly Successful Entrepreneur group, and more importantly, the last two sentences combined to create a biconditional statement, as only the HSEs are always motivated to implement their idea. This gets us to the correct answer, (C), before we've even looked at the choices.

Hope this clears things up!
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Hi! I understand why C is correct but can you help me understand why B is wrong? Isn't B kind of paraphrasing the last sentence? If all people other people see solutions but do not implement them because they are too interested in leisure time or job security, shouldn't that mean that all people who invariable implement ideas have at least some interest in leisure time or job security? Thanks!
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Hi Margi!

All we can tell from the stimulus about those who are interested in leisure time or job security is what we get from the last sentence, and the last sentence tells us that "All other people" have that interest (too much interest!) in leisure time or job security.

When that sentence says "all other people," it's contrasting them with the highly successful entrepreneurs from the previous sentence, i.e. they are not the highly successful entrepreneurs who implement solutions whenever they see them. Since the "all other people" do not implement solutions whenever they see them, we have no basis for saying whether those who do invariably implement solutions (the highly successful entrepreneurs from the second sentence) have any interest in leisure time or job security. So we simply don't have the information we need to make the assertion answer choice B makes, and it therefore doesn't have to be true.

I hope this helps!

Jeremy
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 Kra211
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I'm having trouble with diagramming this problem and ended up missing the problem under timed conditions because I diagrammed incorrectly. I diagrammed as:
HSE :arrow: DLM
and then incorrectly thought that the diagram to follow would be HSE :arrow: SP + II
How can I avoid making this mistake and make sure I'm diagramming these types of statements so that they are displayed correctly? Diagramming conditionality is something that has been a struggle from the beginning for me for some reason, especially when it comes to taking something like combining the Highly Successful Entrepreneur and Solve Problems as a subset of that group rather than a necessary condition for being HSE.

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